We're in big trouble on healthcare with pathetic journalists like this

Mark my words.

Lacking any pretense of intellectual firepower, uneducated and untrained news readers pretending to be journalists will be among the biggest roadblocks this election cycle when it comes to healthcare reform.

The American people need to be educated, and relying on morons like this is truly frightening to contemplate.

 Well contemplate we must, because this is yet another bleak reality we face.

The pattern is eerily familiar.

Journalists Entertainers refused to ask the hard questions before the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and I see the identical pattern playing out with healthcare.

Within a few short hours today, I witnessed two instances of newsreader/journalists attempting  to grapple with the subject of healthcare.

Both failed miserably.

 

Take a look at this interview from This Week with George Stephanopoulous.  Midway through  the interminable discussion, George gets around to asking John Kerry and the abomination Lindsay Graham about the differences between the Obama and McShame healthcare plans.

You'll notice if you watch the video, that the question is not  responded to by either Kerry or Graham.  Even worse, Stephanopoulos, not having the brain power of day old pancakes, doesn't return to it. Question asked, never answered--all is good in the world. And this passes for news.

By the way, sad to say, watching Kerry brought back the nightmare of 2004--a very good man, but, oh my God, not the world's finest communicator.

 



This is from the CNN transcript.

This is what passes for a discussion about the Obama and McBush healthcare plans.

Do you learn anything?

Do you understand anything?

VELSHI: OK. Did a great job on Social -- Security and taxes. And now we're going to give you the easy one.

SAHADI: Yes, the really...

VELSHI: It's the one that you can actually make a clear distinction...

SAHADI: Yes.

VELSHI: ... between them and it's on health care.

SAHADI: Right. The hornet's nest of...

VELSHI: Right.

SAHADI: ... the next president's problems. Yes. It's really a difference between governments and the markets.

Senator Obama -- his plan would require children -- even without a mandate -- children would have to have health insurance. So parents would have to...

VELSHI: Pay for that.

SAHADI: Pay for that.

VELSHI: Right.

SAHADI: But he would give them some cost effective ways to do that and he would mandate that companies contribute to worker's health cares in a -- in a few ways -- one of a few ways, provide a plan, give them money directly to pay for their health care, or barring those two things contribute to a national health network that he would like to create of public and private plans for people who have trouble getting insurance.

VELSHI: So like a pool that they can...

SAHADI: A pool.

VELSHI: And John McCain takes a fairly standard conservative approach to this and says the market can fix this problem better than the government.

SAHADI: Right. The -- his drive to drag down health care costs, he thinks, is best achieved by relying on the individual. So -- and he's coming up with a pretty radical change which is changing the tax treatment on the money you get to pay for health insurance. Right now, if you work for your employer, you get subsidized. It's tax-free income to you. John McCain would actually subject the employer's portion to income tax for you so you'd be paying income tax on it, but in exchange, he'd give you a tax credit which is a dollar- for-dollar reduction.

But it would be a cap. And the idea is, if I know what my limit is -- on how much I can get as a tax credit, I'm going to be much more cost conscious about the health care I choose and insurers and doctors are going to be much more competitive in trying to get my business.

He also would expand the choices in health care plans letting consumers buy across state lines and buy outside of company plans.

There's a lot of criticism, though, of McCain's plans and also of Obama's plan.

VELSHI: Yes.

SAHADI: And I know we don't have time to get into.

VELSHI: You should read Jeanne's stuff on Money.com because she really does know all this kind of stuff.

Let me leave you with this, can you imagine when Katie Couric starts asking questions.

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Bravo!

I'm soooooooooo proud of you. Just got here from dKos.

I almost feel like a proud mama.

And on my high horse -- there's a relationship between the health of Americans and what they eat.

The biggest health-care expense in our nation is due to the industrial food-stuff we eat. Heart diesase, cancer, diabetes. . .refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup, food colorings, preservatives, insecticides, nutrientless foods.

You can't fight one battle if you don't also tackle the other.

Welcome zic . . .

Come early, come often and bring all your friends!

We're going to change the world at Guaranteed healthcare.

Thank you for coming.

Now start to write!

Guaranteed Healthcare

Guaranteed Healthcare huh......think healthcare is expensive now, wait til its FREE.

I have great confidence in Government run Healthcare, just look at all the other things they do such a great job in operating. With their track record, how could we go wrong?

Guaranteed Healthcare

I do think it is expensive now,but it is a necessity!Does anyone realize how costly it is for this country to treat the diseases or conditions that stem from lack of preventative care? The waiting rooms are full of sinus infections, flu, and ear infections-illness that may be treated with information and medication,not ER doctors and nurses. Wait till Polio makes a comeback from lack of vaccines..

Thank you, and I'd like to add a word of caution...

about the quick link you've made between heart disease, cancer, and diabetes which can have genetic predispositions, (we can't choose our relatives), and the influence of diet and the environment on disease. I'm sure we're on the same side of the page here, but just in case one of those libertarian, individual mandate folks wanders in...

There are disparate socio-economic factors in play that determine diet and environment. So, you're right, we have a bigger battle to fight in meeting people's basic needs for clean water, clean air, decent housing, wholesome food, along with access to health care.

The fact that some of our legislation-by-pork-barrel House and Senate members have voted to subsidize tobacco growers, and allow some corporate "protection" agencies to set all but meaningless emission, industrial pollutant, and pesticide standards over the years, is reason enough for our government to provide a national health plan. We should, at the very least care for those who suffer from asthma, emphysema, bronchitis, and cancer. We owe it to ourselves!

Nurses and physicians recognize that health education is important, but the ability to comprehend, afford, and carry out the so-called healthier life-style choices may be limited and beyond the control of an individual or group of people. People who can afford it don't live and work near freeways and shipyards.

Asthma is the number one cause of absenteeism from work and school! And, as for diabetes and obesity, have you seen the price of fresh, "organic" fruits, vegetables, eggs, milk, cheese, and meat lately? The majority of working poor cannot afford to eat well, and studies have shown that the prices charged for most necessities are even higher in poor neighborhoods.
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2006/TheNeglectedLinkFoodMarketingandChildho...

Health promotion theory has been informed by socio-cultural developments in understanding consumerism, commodity culture and everyday life choices. "Culture" needs to be understood as a way of life that includes ideas, beliefs, language, institutions, structures of power, mass-produced commodities, eating habits, and advertising in contemporary society.

Understanding the broad social determinants of health-related knowledge and practice this way reminds us, as health promoters and providers, to stand aside from the usual privileging of ‘health.’ An obese person, a smoker, a diabetic, an asthmatic, or a cancer patient may be a victim of mass-marketing media, familial, peer group, genetic or other socio-economic influences. As a society, we should all be more compassionate and take responsibility in meeting people where their need is rather than blaming them and leaving them to fend for themselves.

We're all in this together.

"We commit ourselves to any wrong or degradation or injury when we do not protest against it." Lillian Wald,(1867-1940), American Social Reformer/Founder Public Health Nursing

Debt, Rising Gas & Food Prices, Rotten Economy CAUSES DEATH

AP has a video up about the rising cost of living and debt is CAUSING RISING HEALTH PROBLEMS and these problems can lead to heart attacks, stroke, and death.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/896589

This video made me wonder what would happen if we brought out our video cameras and talked to people in our neighborhoods about their comfort level in the economy and if they feel they have the right health care plan. We should also ask them about the Cadillac insurance that we pay for our elected officials to have.

Then we should post these videos on Youtube, Yahoo video, Google video and send them to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSGOP, and Fox. (I'm suggesting sending it to Fox so that they can get heart palpitations from seeing the people's uprising against their corporate agenda!)

Welcome, welcome Silence. . .

Make Guaranteed Healthcare a regular stop on the blog circuit and tell everyone!

Trite Debates about Complex Subjects

nycEve,

I've been thinking about what you've written above.

You're right that the short, rapid fire debate styles that the media likes to treat hard issues with is the WRONG way to practice good democracy.

I watched that clip and neither participant had a chance to even spit out an answer in any detail about such a serious subject! I do not blame Kerry or Graham because they are not allowed to dictate the substance of the interview or the time frames allotted. The format of the show sucks, everyone is really just racing the clock!
They should devote a whole debate on healthcare; it’s a major issue! But in this case, they chose to allot 5 minutes to a rapid debate that was about ALL the differences between the two candidates. The main thrust of that debate was about the vote differences between Obama and McCain. Healthcare is a part of that. They should have devoted the whole thing to just healthcare. But to debate everything in 5 minutes, foreign policy to healthcare, to veterans and back, means you get just the basics, if that. But, in 30 seconds, you can say that Obama (and JK and most Democrats) is for affordable healthcare for all Americans.

However, it should be clear in an extremely obvious way that Obama, and Kerry, want universal coverage. McCain does not. JK has fought for health care for us for a number of years now! Yes, even since “Hillary-care” JK has been fighting to give us high-quality healthcare. (Just like he’s fought for better Veteran’s Health-care too! Unfortunately, those in the pockets of lobbyists in the medical and phamacuetical industry have made this a battle!) Nonetheless, Jk has consistently tried to reform health care. He agrees with Obama that the American people should have access to the same health care their Reps and Senators in Congress get. That is the goal.

The problem is the detail of how you get there and that type of discussion can not be handled in a 30 second rapid-fire debate!

Details: McCain believes health care should be a private concern and that individuals should pay for it. He likes the Republican approach that people should open HSA's. The Ownership society means that everyone "owns" their own health care and if you can't afford it, well, too bad. He believes that corporations can battle for costs and that by doing so, they will lower the costs of medical care. Of course, you and I know this is laughable. All you have to do is look at the rising food and gas costs to see that flawed argument.
The Democrats believe, generally, in a shared system of paying in. Sen. Kerry had a proposal that Obama adopted that catastrophic coverage be handled by the government on expenses over $50K. $50K is what triggers a federal payment. The expenses under $50K can then be covered by insurance plans. This gets a hell of a lot of people covered.
And remember JK and JRE have pushed Obama more towards the left on this. In studies, it was shown that Obama’s, Clinton’s, and Edward’s health care plans were not drastically different. Only Dennis Kucinich presented single-payer-universal-healthcare. And yet that seems too radical for a real debate on these tv shows!

The bottom line is that 30 seconds gives nobody time to say anything except the bottom line. And then Stephanopolous can go in and spin the bottom line. That’s not a real forum on healthcare! And so I encourage all of us to invite your senators and Congressmen to local town halls. This doesn’t have to be about Obama, Kerry, and McCain or other pubic figures. It’s about all of us and the Senators and Representatives who are suppose to look after the COMMON GOOD of this country—not the common good of the international corporations!

Morons or evil?

It's a question that I find myself asking more and more often as the talking heads on TV and radio continue to obscure any and all actual information on any topic, regardless of the effect on the people who need that information.

I'm scheduled for surgery tomorrow. It will cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $20k. Where would that number fall relative to my "budget" under McCain? I imagine it could be the typical allowed budget for a family of 4, but would that mean I'd use the entire family's annual budget? And why should we be putting one more penny into the greedy clutches of the financiers who have architected the collapse of our economy by investing it in some managed "savings" plan that they manage? What if they mess that up the same way they messed up "same as cash" mortgages? What if I needed something that wasn't minor, and thus cost more than several years of "budget"?

My experience last not long ago made the absurdity of consumers "choosing" economical health care vividly clear, how, when lying unconscious on the floor due to a bad reaction to an antibiotic, was I supposed to make sure that I chose the more economical ambulance service? Or was I supposed to unconsciously choose not to go to the hospital? That little trip and its accompanying hospital time cost $8k. Was that within my medical savings limit? Of course, I don't know, because I'm not saddled with the kind of health care McCain wants to saddle me with.

I do know, however, that MSAs currently offered by employers (which we DO have to supplement the regular insurance) are limited BY THE EMPLOYER to what the company feels they can cover should the employee's employment be terminated before the end of the year. There is a maximum you are allowed to contribute, and that's it. We chose the max to cover our share of the kids' braces, though now the younger one will get to wait, because our out-of-pocket from tomorrow's surgery will use more than the total.

And then there's the process of submitting receipts before they'll actually pay. They give you this little debit card to make your out-f-pocket payments with, but can apparently revoke the payments unless you submit your receipts from the provider who billed them to prove that ... well I'm not sure. Having put together ecommerce systems I know that the info they get from the providers shows exactly what you've just paid for. I guess they want you to prove that they can make you jump through hoops like a good little medical puppy.

Go get 'em

Hi nyceve, congrats on the new site. Good going.

Got a bone to pick with you, though. Please don't get carried away with labelling all journalists as "morons." I'm one and I sure don't think of myself that way. You'll have better luck reaching out to journalists (especially print journalists) if you take the tack that you can educate them (quickly) on the issue so that they can ask intelligent questions of policy makers when they get a chance.

(By the way, George S. was never a journalist. He went from being BC's mouthpiece to a "face time" job at ABC. In TV, producers do most of the fact-collecting, so that's who you need to reach.)

Print journalists only have specialized beats, such as healthcare, on the largest newspapers, the ones with a national reach. All the others have a "catch as catch can" m.o., meaning that today's healthcare story goes to the first reporter to cross an editor's sightline. The vast majority of print reporters are generalists, not specialists -- that's where you and the Guaranteed Healthcare site come in. You can be the educators that raise the level of discourse about how broken the healthcare system is and what we can do about it.

You can also vet the candidates' proposals, dissecting them so the general public can understand their ramifications.

This is a great opportunity for you and I know that you're smart enough to make it work in your favor. Best of luck. Get out there and be a voice for all of us who desperately need a healthcare revolution in America.

Another journalist here and education is the key

I am with you Eve, 100 percent, but I also come from a background in journalism. And I agree with "poorwriter" that educating those who write about healthcare reform is critical.
Most journalists I know have terrible health insurance coverage -- if any -- and they would completely back single payer if they understood exactly what it was and had publishers and editors with the courage to run the stories they would surely write.
Our small town paper made sure the conservatives were happy -- unless and until readers and advertisers who wanted full coverage complained and threatened to stop subscribing and pull ads.
So, when our local papers do not cover single payer or even attempt to tell the whole story, we have to do what the conservative, for-profit health system fans do -- we have to hit them where it hurts -- cancel subscriptions, write and call.
And educate the reporters and their editors... it is painstaking work, but it is necessary.

Educating the Media

Good points. One way to educate the media is to have local town halls and invite the media to participate.

Also, go to the local colleges and speak to future journalists there. (Frankly all college students could use an education about the state of health care in this country.)

I also think that it might be beneficial to send specific promos to the news too. Be a journalist in your own way. Create a documentary and send it to the local news. Write articles and submit them.

Healthcare

Healthcare cannot be a private concern - Mccain is simply wrong. The health of the nation affects everyone. When I was attempting to move to the US with my US family, I had to go through all sorts of often humiliating procedures (including 'a check in your knickers just to make sure you really are a gal') but by far the most illuminating was the reaction of my GP to the required immunizations - 'My God, I don't want to have to give you these! We haven't had that disease in the UK for forty years now!'

Trouble is, there is no shortage of Americans who will tell you that US health care is 'the best in the world' - including all my extended family! Tell them that the US is actually 37th in world terms, and they will say 'That is only because we pay for it' - tell them that actually it is based on things such as recovery rates after operations, and they change the subject. Ah, America - your wonderful sense of uniqueness and chosen-nation status! It's a bit like that famous glass ceiling - UK had a woman leader 25 years ago,ditto India, Ceylon, now Germany etc etc...but of course they don't count!